T4 Recharge PHEV or T3?

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drkash wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:36 pm Thanks but what put me off the B4 was I read the fuel economy is particularly worse comparing it to the T3
Sorry, but that’s actually not true. There’s only a slight difference between the two in WLTP mileage figures and CO2 emissions are 4g (meaning 3%) higher for T3 vs. B4. Check the official data below:

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eugen61 wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:07 pm
drkash wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:36 pm Thanks but what put me off the B4 was I read the fuel economy is particularly worse comparing it to the T3
Sorry, but that’s actually not true. There’s only a slight difference between the two in WLTP mileage figures and CO2 emissions are 4g (meaning 3%) higher for T3 vs. B4. Check the official data below:
Manufacturer published figures are pure fantasy compared with real world figures IMHO, especially Volvo’s...
Best mpg I’ve ever had was a BMW 320d at 74mpg on a run from Calais down to Saumur in the Loire valley. Same trip in my XC40 returned 45mpg...
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Rifleman wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:06 am
eugen61 wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:07 pm
drkash wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:36 pm Thanks but what put me off the B4 was I read the fuel economy is particularly worse comparing it to the T3
Sorry, but that’s actually not true. There’s only a slight difference between the two in WLTP mileage figures and CO2 emissions are 4g (meaning 3%) higher for T3 vs. B4. Check the official data below:
Manufacturer published figures are pure fantasy compared with real world figures IMHO, especially Volvo’s...
Fully agree with your statement. But here I’m not arguing about real mileage figures, I’m simply showing the difference between B4 and T3 in identical WLTP testing. Conclusion is that in fact B4 has slightly better fuel economy than T3, the same comparison stands for real world figures IMHO you are referring to.
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Rifleman wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:06 am

Manufacturer published figures are pure fantasy compared with real world figures IMHO, especially Volvo’s...
Maybe in the past, but this is the whole reason WLTP was introduced. The testing is now performed by a government accredited third party, and is designed to follow more closely real world driving. Thus the figures are not Volvo's, and are comparable against other manufacturers as the same testing organisation does them all.
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eugen61 wrote: Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:37 am If you’re really looking for tried and tested reliability, than choose B4 or B5 where the 2L engine and A8 gearbox has 5 years of user data from the entire Volvo model range. T3 and T4 Recharge have the new 1.5L 3 cylinder engine that currently is only 1 year old, not benefiting from enough user data to be as reliable as the 2L architecture. On the other hand, with a 4-5 years full warranty plan you shouldn’t worry about this topic since all problems or recalls would be covered in the future.
1.5L 3 cylinder engine in the T3 has been in production since 2018, almost 3 years.
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Felindre wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:53 am
Rifleman wrote: Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:06 am

Manufacturer published figures are pure fantasy compared with real world figures IMHO, especially Volvo’s...
Maybe in the past, but this is the whole reason WLTP was introduced. The testing is now performed by a government accredited third party, and is designed to follow more closely real world driving. Thus the figures are not Volvo's, and are comparable against other manufacturers as the same testing organisation does them all.
Manufacturers still use NDEC figures whenever possible because it makes the car look less thirsty. WLTP is much closer to reality, even though the “combined” consumption figure is a percentage of city, freeway and highway driving that can differ from our own driving habits. However, the ‘high’ and “low” WLTP mpg for my engine are surprisingly close to my own real driving: City 24,35 WLTP vs 23,54 real and Highway 44,14 WLTP vs 43,46 real.
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eugen61, I noticed you used the term highway together with gallons. Would you be in the US? I (idly) wonder if your figures are slightly lower than mine would be as the US gallon is slightly less than the UK imperial gallon?.
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Felindre wrote: Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:45 pm eugen61, I noticed you used the term highway together with gallons. Would you be in the US? I (idly) wonder if your figures are slightly lower than mine would be as the US gallon is slightly less than the UK imperial gallon?.
I’m in continental Europe and all my data is metric. In my replies I quoted UK imperial mpg for the post owner assuming he’s from UK (he stated £ for his car purchase).
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Right, i guess highway misled me!
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